How are there people who still believe all of this BS?? We used to understand teens are 150% conviction but 50% wisdom....we would allow them some leeway to act ridiculously but tried to not let them do permanently damaging stuff-tattoos, marriage etc
My take is that they’ve gaslit themselves in the name of “kindness” and inclusion. They won’t allow skepticism to take root. They’re so afraid of being called bigots or right wingers. Cowards.
In the late 80s, early 90s I went to an arts high school. Gender bending in dress wasn't unusual but not the norm but not one kid claimed to be the opposite sex. Some were gay and lesbian, coming out at the age 18 on average. We were children in the 80s who grew up with Boy George and David Bowie. People wore gender neutral clothes. I believe that at the time there was less pressure to be stereotypically feminine or masculine. Once I went to art school in the early nineties, it was the same. As far as I know, there's only one person who claims to be the opposite sex today from that time.
I actually went to a high school musical in the spring. Out of the 10 kids on the playbill, two of them used different pronouns. It took me a second to figure out that I knew one of them, both female. People in the arts are generally more highly sensitive so I figure that has something to do with it. But I can't figure out why it didn't seem to be a thing when I was a teen. I also want to point out that in my circles, family, neighbours, kids at school, old friends and new friends, there are 5 teens I know who see themselves as not as their birth sex and that's only the ones I have heard of.
Same here. Androgyny a la Bowie was hot. Annie Lennox dressed like a man but she was a beautiful and sexy woman. Ditto Grace Jones, Brigitte Nielsen. That’s what made it appealing. Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, Kajagoogoo… on and on with effeminate slender boy bands who were sex symbols to teens like me.
That was the beginning of it perhaps. Gender bending fashion. Boys wearing eyeliner. Girls cutting their hair short. It was rebellious. It showed you weren’t a preppy square Reaganite, a patriot.
It wasn’t until the 90s, say the experts, that postmodernism and queer theory entered the academic scene.
All that gender bending got pushed further. And further. It’s like a dare. How far can you push the boundary line…. How queer can you be… to piss off the parents, topple the conventions and morals of the day… plus it’s so cool to hate America and see everything as oppressive patriarchy. No one stylish wants to identify with that. So here we are, and now the hottest teen trend is destroying everything in its path.
that's the word on the street. when you follow the money that's what you see. but might there be an additional element of a bottom up "rebellion" that ironically finds itself celebrated in the mainstream?
Some of us, somehow see through it. My moment was when a menopause nutritionist made a reel about how transwomen go through menopause. It put me in a downward spiral where I heard all the other side of movement, detransitioners, autogynaphile men, ROGD and so on and it's been difficult to see it in any other way. It's like a cult with no leader. If young people were coming to this on their own, I would question it less. It's got group mentality written all over it.
How are there people who still believe all of this BS?? We used to understand teens are 150% conviction but 50% wisdom....we would allow them some leeway to act ridiculously but tried to not let them do permanently damaging stuff-tattoos, marriage etc
My take is that they’ve gaslit themselves in the name of “kindness” and inclusion. They won’t allow skepticism to take root. They’re so afraid of being called bigots or right wingers. Cowards.
Puberty blockers - Big Pharma’s new cash cow now that we’ve caught on to the Covid scam.
Listen to Douglas Murray(love his mind)who’s gay. He can’t stand this trends!
In the late 80s, early 90s I went to an arts high school. Gender bending in dress wasn't unusual but not the norm but not one kid claimed to be the opposite sex. Some were gay and lesbian, coming out at the age 18 on average. We were children in the 80s who grew up with Boy George and David Bowie. People wore gender neutral clothes. I believe that at the time there was less pressure to be stereotypically feminine or masculine. Once I went to art school in the early nineties, it was the same. As far as I know, there's only one person who claims to be the opposite sex today from that time.
I actually went to a high school musical in the spring. Out of the 10 kids on the playbill, two of them used different pronouns. It took me a second to figure out that I knew one of them, both female. People in the arts are generally more highly sensitive so I figure that has something to do with it. But I can't figure out why it didn't seem to be a thing when I was a teen. I also want to point out that in my circles, family, neighbours, kids at school, old friends and new friends, there are 5 teens I know who see themselves as not as their birth sex and that's only the ones I have heard of.
Same here. Androgyny a la Bowie was hot. Annie Lennox dressed like a man but she was a beautiful and sexy woman. Ditto Grace Jones, Brigitte Nielsen. That’s what made it appealing. Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, Kajagoogoo… on and on with effeminate slender boy bands who were sex symbols to teens like me.
That was the beginning of it perhaps. Gender bending fashion. Boys wearing eyeliner. Girls cutting their hair short. It was rebellious. It showed you weren’t a preppy square Reaganite, a patriot.
It wasn’t until the 90s, say the experts, that postmodernism and queer theory entered the academic scene.
All that gender bending got pushed further. And further. It’s like a dare. How far can you push the boundary line…. How queer can you be… to piss off the parents, topple the conventions and morals of the day… plus it’s so cool to hate America and see everything as oppressive patriarchy. No one stylish wants to identify with that. So here we are, and now the hottest teen trend is destroying everything in its path.
Right now, this seems more like a top down movement whereas the gay rights movement was from the bottom up.
that's the word on the street. when you follow the money that's what you see. but might there be an additional element of a bottom up "rebellion" that ironically finds itself celebrated in the mainstream?
Some of us, somehow see through it. My moment was when a menopause nutritionist made a reel about how transwomen go through menopause. It put me in a downward spiral where I heard all the other side of movement, detransitioners, autogynaphile men, ROGD and so on and it's been difficult to see it in any other way. It's like a cult with no leader. If young people were coming to this on their own, I would question it less. It's got group mentality written all over it.